Stock has an old crack at heel. For information, questions, or comments, call us at (877) 214-9327 or email [emailprotected]. No maker's name anywhere? Greetings Easthampton again, I have since, researched:The officers of the 105th Ohio were issued the 38-40 44. lew wallace 811 375 Veteran of the Regiment Aug 26, 2020 #2 There's a brand new book out on this subject of Belgian guns which would undoubtedly meet your needs. The one on the far right is the definite proof for nitro, or smokeless powder. Barrel rib is unmarked. of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces of his The Belgian-made Auto-5 gets more accolades, but the Miroku A-5 is the better gun. Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. Error, no Advert ID set! Generally, but not always, Belgian made guns will have a bit lower value ("ELG" proofmark indicates a Belgian made gun. Counet Philippe For sale is a unique old Damascus steel Very large double barrel 10 ga shot gun. The inspectors mark is still an secret so the list here should be regarded as uncertain, but it can in some cases give a more accurate dating that the stamps. Antique Shotguns (Pre-1899): Belgian Shotguns, Side by Side Shotguns Our inventory of antique shotguns is made up of shotguns manufactured before 1899, including English, French, and Belgian shotguns. stream I have a Belgian muzzle loader pistol with the cylinder marked "ELG" in a circle with a star underneath it in the circle, there is also a "D" on the cylinder underneath the proof mark. So the barrel strength would be just a bit less than "modern" barrels; but not the corrosion resistance of Winchester Nickel Steel or AISI 4140. Bauduin Charles Thanks Hause. Antique 10 ga Belgium made percussion Shot gun **Free Shipping no CC Fees** Engraved with gold inlay. Closset J.M. Hi, thanks for the info and knowledge you provided. The "Military Factory" name and MilitaryFactory.com logo are registered U.S. trademarks protected by all applicable domestic and international intellectual property laws. Thanks again for the help! Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. Comblain Length of pull is 14 5/8. John M. Browning's first rifle, the Single Shot, was made in Ogden, Utah. It is a hammer back breakaway 12 gauge side by side. Hammers cock and function properly. Chartier Manufactured in the 1860's. One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the "Golden Age" of Lige was Jules Bury, arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. ('Manufacturer') Home > Product Catalog Shotguns made in Belgium category Firearms/ Small arms 731 Rifles 237 Shotguns 359 Pistols 134 Blank/Signal/Rubberball pistols 1 Black powder/Muzzleloader 2 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 20 Provisional black powder proof for breech loading guns, since 1924 reserved for smooth bore barrels. Their total production was around 180,000 guns. Share to Facebook. Jules Bury advertising from the 1930ies.Courtesy of littlegun.be. Just as many muzzleloaders were converted to breechloadersthink of the Springfield trapdoor action or the British Snidermany pin-fires were converted to center-fire guns. presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are carefully bound by threads. Caliber 15mm, length 122cm. Other than the diameter stamp, I don't see a 70mm stamp. The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. Hello, I have two ELG 1136 Belgian Percussion Dueling pistols with a 6 inch barrel. The crown R and star P stamped on the barrel, receiver, and cylinder. Coleye M. N. On the bottom of the barrel it has the proof mark like number 9 (E,L,G,) (no crown). Thanks so much. H&H style locks are practically universal, as are double underbolts leaving a clean breech face, double triggers and selective ejectors. . Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. Gun Barrel Proof Marks. The company built side-by-side double barrel shotguns throughout WW2. M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" Baltus - Wilmotte By Alain Daubresse. Since it reads >>Made in Belgium<< on the side of the tubes it was made for export. I can't help you with the ID of the gun but there countless European gun makers, many of them Belgium, around the late 1800's early 1900's. They range in quality from very good to . Christophe Henri This was the result of John M. Browning's lasting relationship with Fabrique Nationale, in . 3 was 33 grains = 3 Dram Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904. On barrels and actions of smoothbore guns with the gauge size. Damascus barrels are 32". Quality: Our mission is to preserve old firearms catalogs at a reasonable price before they are all gone, but our reprints are NOT forgeries of originals, they are exact copies of the originals but not necessarily the exact size or on the original paper or with the original binding. Action works properly. Side by side with 28" damascus barrels and hammers. Around the 1880s, Damascus barrels became an object of the past. A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . Sorry I can't be more helpful. This is a rare 20 gauge August Lebeau double barrel shotgun, side locks, extractors, factory 2 3/4 inch chambers, ordered and shipped in 1912 to Russia. Bazin F.J. Comblain Hubert Joseph He received his technical training in Soest and then in Warstein. Henri Pieper (left) and Nicolas Pieper (right) Henri Pieper was born and raised in modest German home in Soest (Westphalia) Germany on Oct 30, 1840. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. Sorry for my delay in responding: I've been OOT and off-line for two weeks. Damascus barrels are 30". Applied to all gun not made in Belgium but proofed in Belgium. Project Upland. The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been I'm not familiar with the proof mark you describe, although a French one exists of AR with a three-pronged crown above, used for smokeless powder proof (but no M). Good overall condition. Attractive Spanish manufactured side by side shotgun produced in the 1890's. (Thanks to my friend Daryl Hallquist!) Bores show very Scarce 10 gauge. . Barrel is 31" marked "London Fine Twist". Many thanxPS:. Hi Gerard and everyone! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. the 20th century. Bury Jules. I will try to upload a pic if it'll let me. SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. Charlier Ch. Cap Joseph Colard Louis - Counet Lonard Some of the links in the first post are inactive and can not be edited. Mark, I'm unclear what the "leg in a circle" looks like; ditto the "star over the k". $28,000.00. Good examples of the information that can be derived from adequate images. Overall length is 43". Any ideas as to date range? Good overall condition. significance or purpose. Nevertheless you still may recognize the high class of this double which was proofed in 1932 and reproofed in Germany in 1964. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Double made in the mid 1890's. 2 Hammerless 12 Gauge Parker Bros. Add to Cart Compare. Until 1894, stamped in .02mm graduations, then in 0.1mm steps, Degree of choke, in this case 0.7mm constriction. This one was engraved by Jules Eugne Schoffeniels. Most double shotguns represented here. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? 14. The slot for the pin had to be welded up and a firing pin installed.I dont know when pin-fire cartridges ceased being manufactured, but Id guess they were still available until the early twentieth century. Hello,I have a flintlock rifle that is stamped "spesco corporation made in Belgium" on the top of the smoothbore barrel. CONTACT. Bonehill. The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . It has been just recently released but has received some exposure in the gun blogs. . We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. Chaineux J. Call Mick direct on 07970 239211 - Or dial 0044 7970 239211 if calling from outside the UK | MicksGuns343@gmail.com Collard Henri - Roux Jacques Stock is walnut and has some repairs at the wrist. I have pics of the Proof marks I want to show you. Locksare marked "Mortimer". Using a shotgun shell (a self-contained cartridge with multiple small, sphere-shaped projectiles) instead of a usual bullet is what makes a shotgun a separate kind of a gun. Rib is marked "Vicente Arizmendi Eibar". Is there a 70mm stamp on the extractor blade faces? Arnold Mathias Revolver. Stevans): cant verify it is Maj. Doan, but on his hip is a pistol, which looks alike a 7 in. gunmakers treated in this first volume are : Albini BraendlinAncion & C The "1136" might be the serial number for that pair of pistols. The numbers 138 G(looks like a 1) are under the proof mark. Photos of the flats on the barrels and on the action would help a lot. I have tried to look up an 1136 but am unable to locate them anywhere. Percussion side by side manufactured in Belgium during the 1850's. Makers - Darne, Merkel, Arrieta, Beretta, Browning, Holland, Purdey, Richards, Bernardelli, Parker, Fox, LC Smith, and most other double barreled shotgun, gun and double rifle makers. Nessonvaux is short drive outside of Liege. A number of book by Dr. James Whisker and various co-authors list Amercian makers by specific region. Assisted opening is offered, as are various rib styles, barrel lengths, chokes, metal finishes, etc. The book presented below is the second of the series and is covering the gun makers whose names are in the D to F range of the alphabetical order. All iron construction with skeleton type stock. Some older foreign manufactured firearms, such as pistols . Bovy Thodore Joseph Introduced to designate arms proved in conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. The gun was proofed before 1924. John Browning's Auto-5 set the bar for semi-automatic shotguns. The Great Exhibition of 1851 in London did much to publicize Lefaucheuxs system. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. No small part of the Belgians' remarkableability to meet the demands of a wide variety of firms trading all over the world was their willingness to go on producing type of guns that were obsolete. Email: Info@hlebooks.com and BELGIUM had a glut of old, obsolete flint lock and percussion gun parts left over from years past. Action works properly. Even in the white you can see its quality. Bernard Victor & Cie It's complete. Bayet Frres Ithaca opened in 1883 and built a number of different boxlock-style side-by-sides, including the Crass . Bouquin Ad Bodson TH. Can anybody shed some light here? They differ tremendously in style and shape, and the advice given above by 4575wcf is good. Due to the Good overall condition. Stocks are finely figured walnut with checkered butt. Locks are marked "T. Barker". Parker Brothers - One of the most famous shotgun manufacturers started making double barrel shotguns in 1868. There's no indication of gauge. Manufactured in the 1860's. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. I'm very excited about this gun because I think the serial number is 106. Ancion DD & Fils Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2 The text is written in French AND English. The 'z' most likely is an inspector's mark indicating satisfactory quality for this part: in this case, a revolver cylinder--that's my best guess, anyway. Manufactured in 1892. Baron Emile It is located just above the circle with ELG. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". The Modern Shotgun. Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. . The 12C in the diamond is the nominal bore diameter - again 12g - but in French - 'calibre 12'. It's as useful in a duck blind as it is . The second and third indicateit was proofed at Lige. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. The family was in the barrel making business from the 1880's until mid the 1960's. http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies d/a delcour dupont gb.htm This is Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont and his son Oscar, 1924. Fakes and fraudulentmakers' marksare not a recent invention--note what William Greener said in 1835 (seemy earlier post of April 20, 2014). Email: ghcox3@gmail.com. Lige is in the French-speaking part of Belgium. )t/!Z $e9]DG=Ljr%@6) 8F&Kx[2l~WY7#|9&~L~G3jjV?~2SN?2&=qb'3d0W>l#G2;/|D)c~liS>2lVbD""L0M7;Q"gd)g"G{\3efBd. Good overall condition. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Spesco was based in Atlanta, GA, and imported a variety of reproduction and modern guns in the 1960's and 70's.It would be a good idea to check that the rifle is unloaded. Please direct all other inquiries to militaryfactory AT gmail.com. Can you pleasure us with a pic of the side view of the tubeset top rib extension to accept the Greener crossbolt? Hammers cock and function properly. Serial: 40593. Don't know about the Star P. And I don't ever evaluate guns. http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home. Heyday of the Shotgun: The art of the gunmaker at the turn of the last century. 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Liege, Belgium has been a gunmaking center for centuries. BY CONFLICT. (Six volumes by alphabetical order), Belgian Liege gunmakers (A to C) - Volume 1. Savage was founded in 1894 by Arthur Savage in New York after years of tinkering with lever-action rifle designs. And I have a photo taken at Winchester, TX with Maj. Thomas Doan during the Dusty March, July 1863, Dechard, TN. If you can, send me a photo: ghcox3@gmail.com.Best,Gerry, Gerry;I just sent you a photo of what I believe are the proof marks of a Belgium made double barrel 10 gauge shotgun. Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? (Not safe to shoot with modern shells.) Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique shotguns below. Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. Judging by the comments that appeared when I Googled "spesco corporation," your guess is on target. Receiver has original case colors in protected areas. Hammers function properly. 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